Chaos Legionen Codex?

Der Legionscodex scheint ja nun schon länger vom Tisch, aber das hier klingt auch gut, deshalb stelle ich es in diesen Gerüchtethread.

Von Sphärentor:

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Es sind angeblich zwei Codizes geplant, eines für die Chaos Space Marines und eines für Verräter im Stile der Verlorenen und Verdammten. Es könnte ein abtrünniger Inquisitor dabei sein, an sich werden sich viele verschiedene Armeen damit aufbauen lassen. Der normale Chaos Space Marines Codex wird dagegen mehr in Richtung der Grey Knights gehen - eine zukünftige Streitmacht wird aus eher wenigen aber dafür sehr mächtigen Chaos Space Marines bestehen.

Von BOLS:

"-i really really shouldnt but, ive only seen a dreadnaught of the two
mentioned (regarding a previous report of new plastic Chaos Dread and
Raptors)

-To quickly add. will lesser chaos gods feture. yes n all of the fallen legions will be there

-saw preliminary types for khonate chrono gladiators... and a really bizarre night lord assassin type thing...

-oh im sure if people want a new abaddon.. i saw one but really it isnt much...

-little horus on the other hand... now there's a wow figure

-there was a little heated discussion weather alpha legion should be in this or the traitors dex... there in the legion dex

-the new abaddon as really it just seems bigger n bulkier, like somebody 3d scanned it n made him larger

-the minor chaos gods are already named, its like marks though, no daemons

-i did see a dark mechanicus guy... not sure if he will make it though, a very creepy sculpt based on a john Blanche piece

-this is really something to be taken with a grain of salt there may [size=small]may[/size] be a 30k boxed set at some point, containing one of each of the legions

characters

-oh one last thing its ward "

Von Warseers Ghost21:

"okay time to end the what ifs....

there will be 3 chaos dexes as far as im aware, legions, renegades n daemons

now daemons will appear in the legion dex but not those awful lesser
things they are now... im not sure about greater daemons... however if
you are doing a legion list its based on "black legion(or the generic
list)" or one of the others

legions

whats there ?, lots

world eaters with bolt guns you say... yeah there there

expect very powerful characters here (they are 10 Milena old)... my favorite is the overpowered red angel... now he IS angry

ill do the others if people wish

would I be correct to assume the renegades book will include some "lost and the damned" style units? traitor guard, mutants etc

thats the plan, but also rules for , chapters that have gone bad

i have to say im excited for chaos, there is allot allot of inspiration
from the 3.5 dex, with warsmiths, dark apostles n the alpha legion
rules well lets say they have a dual command structure"

Warseer:

"i know allot of you have questions about individual units and legions,
ill try to address them all, however there are limits on how much i can
get away with,

ill say this there are havoc's for marked legions

though each legion will get something unique to them, from force
organization to individual units to hqs, for example night lords n world
eaters can only have 1 heavy support but get other boni

remember huron has quite decent kit, so expect something like a 2nd ed
list for him. also, in some ways picking a legion will restrict you,
there are allot of chaos characters already in fluff so expect most to
return, plus a few new faces

whos the star of the show huh?... now that is something ill hold onto for a while"
basically as i understand if world eater want more than 1 havoc squad they have to trade sth for it(so not limits on hs per say)

as i understand they can take khornate engines without restriction

sorry to cause confusiuon

"

Einiges doppelt, aber auch einiges neues (BELO/Warseer):

ghost21 reports that the plan is for 3 Chaos books. Legions, Renegades and Daemons

Daemons are already covered, so the next book will cover the Chaos
Legions, with a future Renegades codex incorporating all manner of
traitor humans, mutants and Marines-gone-bad.

ghost21 thinks this Legions book will be 1st or 2nd book after 6th
edition, which is being released July 2012, putting the release around
October-November 2012

Harry supports this, saying:

I do think CSM are the first sixth edition book but not sure if they come just before or just after 6th edition.

theDarkGeneral contradicts this, saying he has heard of 3 separate
Legions books with an even split of Legions in each. He claims 2 are
planned for release in 2012 and the third for early 2013. He further
claims a “Lost and the Damned” style book and a “largely Daemon-based”
campaign book are in the works for after that.

theDarkGeneral was supposedly given the Legion split breakdown as:

*World Eaters, Word Bearers and Nightlords

*Deathguard, Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children

*Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion and Black Legion

Mat Ward is rumoured to be writing the codex. (seriously guys, get over it )

Minor Gods will make an appearance and all Legions will be included

The minor Gods are named, and will act in a similar way to marks, but have no Daemons.

Background:

Ghost21 tells us the background has been expanded and improved so that
Legions and their worship of the Gods is far less one-dimensional.

Rules:

Each Legion will have something unique to them, but will have unit restrictions to offset their inherent bonuses.

Ghost21 further clarifies by saying World Eaters may be restricted to 1
Havoc squad, but could potentially take more by “trading in” something
else.

theDarkGeneral tells us:

it won't change according to your Legion (HQs) as in swapping more
Heavies for less Fast, but your access to units in those categories
opens up, becomes limited, or closes off accordingly. Easy example I was
given, is taking Khorne Daemon Prince means no Scouts...

And goes on to say the following about the different Legions:

*Nightlords: I don't ask much about them, though a lil' i have for my
buddy Paul has around 25,000+ points of them...Hit & Run and
Stealth for universal special rules, but possible counter attack (for
elite unit) as well as jump pack troops.

*Word Bearers: Apparently getting a lil' extra attention, and besides
Dark Apostles, new models for "daemonancers", which just might be unit
champs/sgt upgrades. I'm not sure. BUT, their summoning of Daemons from
the Warp apparently allows re-rolls on the scatter dice, as well as new
mishap chart!

*Deathguard: Feel no pain and blight grenades for their Cult Terminators, new nasty flamers upgrades.

*Thousand Sons: AP3 bolters will be MUCH more useful under 6th Edition,
and a couple new Psychic abilities, one of which (supposedly) can remove
an entire enemy squad from the table on a failed stat test!

*Iron Warriors: Access to Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield termies,
thunderfire cannon off-shoot, Havocs w/Tank Hunters and relentless for
some squad...

*Emperor's Children: Lash is finally changed to be more in line with
Daemon version. More heavy weapons upgrade count for larger units.
Better Bikes? Not sure what that means...

*Alpha Legion: Lots of infiltrating abilities, outflanking, and even
temporary control of enemy squads/vehicles...basically sneaky *******s!

*Black Legion: HQs allow broader access to all unit types, but lack of better universal special rules.

Ghost21 tells us Chaos units have built in negatives depending on the
God. It is unclear if these are just Cult Troops, or all Marked units

Nurgle units can’t perform Sweeping Advances and are what he refers to
as “stoic” (possibly meaning slow and purposeful, possibly just the name
of this group of rules)

Khorne has to “engage in some kind of combat every turn” (not sure what
this means ie does shooting count?) or roll on a D6 table and suffer
some random penalty

Tzeentch require a “command figure” (likely Sorcerer) or will act based on a random D6 roll

Slaanesh are described only as having “very harsh results”

theDarkGeneral says Nurgle Flamers can be made poisoned 3+ or even 2+ (possibly through a special character).

HQ

Special Characters:

ghost21 tells us characters will supposedly be very powerful, including the “Red Angel” from this artwork

Although ghost21 goes on to say he hasn’t seen a named Warsmith character, only a Dark Mechanicus one.

theDarkGeneral claims we will see the return of Droomrider, Doombreed,
and Cypher as well as another 5 new characters. This does not preclude
any or all existing special characters being included.

theDarkGeneral also tells us there will be a Slaaneshi Dreadnaught special character.

theDarkGeneral reports that Ahriman will be better due to new Chaos
Psychic powers as well as "some kind of guaranteed psychic ability that
can't be stopped via Psychic Hoods, etc"

Elites

theDarkGeneral tells us Chaos Dreadnaughts will no longer act randomly,
and are able to take marks, but will not be able to be Venerable.

theDarkGeneral claims Possessed will be improved and supposedly have upgrades either already included or that you can pay for.

ghost21 tells us there will be a "gladiator themed" World Eater unit

ghost21 also says Emperor's Children will have access to a unit
described as "soul shieldsman" which is possibly an upgrade for
Veterans.

Troops

theDarkGeneral implies there will be some kind of “Scout unit” which will not be available to World Eaters.

God-specific Daemons will likely be included, but ghost21 is only sure
of the lesser varieties (Plaguebearers, Bloodletters, Daemonettes &
Horrors) and not the greater ones

theDarkGeneral claims Daemons will remain as they are in the Daemons
Codex, but with slight points adjustments to reflect the ability to
summon them and certain 6th edition changes.

Fast Attack

theDarkGeneral claims “Assault Berzerkers” with jump packs will be available as Fast Attack choices.

ghost21 tells us Doomrider will be a unit upgrade (presumably for Bike squads)

ghost21 also adds that Nurgle Bikes are in, but their "Stoic" rule may make them less effective in his opinion.

theDarkGeneral mentions a new unit called Brazen Knights consiting of
"Skull Champions" (possibly super Khornate CSM Champions) riding
Juggernauts

Heavy Support

theDarkGeneral tells us Slaughterfiends from Apoc will be available, as well as versions for other Legions and Marks.

theDarkGeneral reports Obliterators maximum unit size is increased to 4

theDarkGeneral says most types of Daemon Engines can be taken as 3 per FOC slot

theDarkGeneral claims Legions will get a new Landraider pattern with a
higher transport capacity (possibly 15) and is described as a "warped
version of one of the Imperial versions”

Marked Legions are rumoured to get Havocs

theDarkGeneral has also hinted at the possibility of a new Monstrous
Creature that is not a Greater Daemon. No further info is available as
yet.

Miniatures:

Plastic Dreadnaught rumoured by both ghost21 and theDarkGeneral.
TheDarkGeneral claims it will include multiple Dreadnought close combat
weapons types, such as the Chainfist, Thunder Hammer, Power Scourge,
etc.

Plastic Plague Bearers rumoured to appear in the 6th edition started

Plastic Raptors have been confirmed by the ever-reliable 75hastings69 who said:

I can add to this that the new plastic Raptors are very nice

Abaddon – ghost21 claims this miniature is almost identical to the existing one, but “bulkier and taller”

Little Horus - ghost21 reports seeing a miniature for this guy, and implies it is very good

ghost21 also claims to have spotted a miniature for a Dark Mechanicus
character, but is unsure if he will make it to release. He described it
as:

a very creepy sculpt based on a john Blanche piece

Warseer:

"It sounds like we're getting a large upgrade to our current plight when
it comes to vehicles and gear and equipment and special rules. Some
will be current "Marine type" vehicles, but a few new ones. Yeah, there
is a Chaos "flyer" but it's NOT the Hell Blade (or Hell Talon). Not a
troop transport, just designed to cause havoc on entrenched enemy
squads (hvy Flamers?).

Here's a list of what things we talked about, items with an evil grin are tentative...

*Power of the Machine Spirit/Infernal Engine

possible

*Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer/?:

possible

*They Shalt Know No Fear:

no

*Fearless: (Cult Terminators, and a few specific Legions)

certain units posibly

*Razorback:

no

*Whirlwind:

no

*Attack Bikes: (possibly with Reaper Autocannons)

kinda

*Thunderfire Cannon: (Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion)

they get sth else , but kinda

*Landspeeder:

sort of

*Artificer Armor:

its called sth else

*Techmarines: (about half the Legions)

kind of

*Chaplains: (Word Bearers)

only word bearers

*Psychic Hood:

its called sth else

*Stormraven Gunship:

no

*Venerable Dreads:

only one thats a sc"

Frage und Antwort mit Ghost21 auf Warseer:

Originally Posted by The Dude Sorry
for dredging this old post up again, ghost, but your wording is a bit
confusing. Are you confirming plastic Plague Marines here, or saying
there will be a special Plague Marine unit similar to the Gladiator one
you already mentioned?

no problem, im currently somewhere where im used to writing in hebrew, sorry. im confirming plastic plague marines
im happy to try to clarify anything

I posted earlier wondering if the Thundefire Cannon like weapon you suggested might be the Thunderstrike Assault Gun.
Would you be able to confirm or deny that?

as far as i know its a "deamonic thing"

Were there any other special cult units like the Gladiator themed one you've already mentioned?

as i understand there will be at least 1-2 additional units for
the cult legions (theres a unit like the space wolf, wolf guard that
all legions get
(i think that's what there called the veteran guys who can choose
different kit, i also think that's where those jugger riding zerkers may
appear, this unit though can be upgraded in god specific lists to be
"special")

as far as i understand these are special themed units , not just cult terminators

the thousand suns get a really odd unit, of people who were powerful
enough not to be hit by the rubic... ill update that one later, i think
they only get one (unless he wasn't joking about screamer surfing
marines)

EC get a very defensive unit, who have like sonic shields .

Just to be clear, I understood that there would be rules for
playing the different legions - how is that chosen, by taking a mark or
upgrade on an HQ character?

that honestly depends on what legion your asking about

So you're saying for some legions you need to take a mark and for others a named character?

as far as im aware none need a special character, some require marks others upgrades from there relevant section

Von Dark general:

"Brazen Knights: Or whatever they're going to call the Berzerkers a top
Juggernauts, won't be in the Fast Attack slot like the Thunder Cav
(Space Wolves). Probably Elites, with no way to move to Troops.

*Word Bearers: Will be able to take Marked units but with some
restrictions. Apparently with all the current Black Library Books out on
them (I'm enjoying their reads!), and mention of the Sanctified in
Siege of Vraks, the ability to take Marked units has been brought up.
Not sure how they'll do this, if it'll be a 1 unit for 1 unit.

*Alpha Legion: Hardest to get info on, but "might" be able to force a
re-roll on the type of scenario?! This honestly sounds more like a
Special Character ability to me...but we'll see...

*Iron Warriors: Their Cult Terminators will have access to Thunder
Hammer & Storm Shields, as well as Iron-Fire Cannon (thunder fire).
Basic Chaos Marine squads "may" be able to take an additional heavy
weapons team once past 10 models...

*Kharn: Gets a new model (FINALLY), which is bulkier and still
ferocious in motion...his rules get better for survive ability like
Eternal Warrior and a 4+ Invul, but his bloodshed knows no bounds..."

warseer:

"Garanaul the Black vom 05.01.12:

Just a quick release date tidbit before things fizzle out completely. It
is from an excellent source (standard caveats apply of course, as
nothing is ever certain). I've been told that Chaos is about six months
from release, which is approximately late June / July, not sure if /
how this is going to affect the release of 6th Edition.

I've been sitting on this one for about a week so if it's common knowledge, please ignore.

OT: Tau is being worked on, but further out than people think.

theDarkGeneral vom 09.01.12:

Hey, let's keep this Rumors thread relaxed and chill. No need for
hostilities, that'll come when ever non-Chaos player whines as to "how
powerful" Chaos has become with a new "super Codex".

Oh, YES, plastic Plaguebearers are on the horizon, though I couldn't
actually give you a date release, as I rarely ask those kinds of
questions.

Chaos Daemons won't be far off, as it seems GW may indeed do a double
release with them, coinciding with their Fantasy counter part, but
probably not 'til early next year. (if even that early)

Story line wise, they're finally expanding forward, as well as filling
in the gaps! The interactions with fellow Chaos Legions, and the
massive distrust and often full fledged battles is going to be flushed
out. We'll all know FOR SURE, who's whom!

They're leaning against Forge World inclusions, like the Hell Blade,
Contemptor Dreadnought, Bloodslaughterers, Plague Drones, etc. BUT,
we'll still get some better, faster vehicles similar to Speeders (if
not actual Speeders). The newish Land Radier that comes possessed and
with a higher infantry capacity will be a huge boon, along with the
Daemon Engines that can be taken 2 or 3 for one Heavy/Fast/Elite slot.

Spawn in larger packs, and with the ability to be Marked! (this i'm not sure on, sounds a lil' too good)

Now, something else i've been told, is that someone earlier mentioned
jetbikes I believe, and one of my buddies brought that up and linked it
to Emperor's Children along with Doom Rider!"

Warseer:

"Not sure if the rumor i mentioned is posted up on your previous thread,
but I again here mention from my GW buddies in Memphis, that sets of
sprues that are Legion specific will finally come! Chaos of course being
the first sets, though i'm told Terminator and regular Space Marine
sprues will be sold separately. Once the Chaos Legions sprues hit, the
Legions/Chapters still dedicated to the throne of Terra shall follow.

Chaos Space Marines will receive a boxed set, with ALL the needed option
upgrades included for standard gear, and new sets for Berzerkers,
Noise Marines, Plague Marines and Thousand Sons will follow with MUCH
nicer sculpts.

So basically, all the Legions will buy the same boxed set for the
majority of their models, but to make them Legion specific, separate
sprues will be sold which will include shoulder pads, heads, banners,
few weapons, etc. Terminators will also get separate sprues made
available to them to become Legion specific.

Again, this is what i'm told..."

Ein paar neue Gerüchte via 40kings, von Warseer, DakkaDakka, Bols etc.:

"
von “the Dude”

Darnok recently brought some rumors to the table regarding Chaos,
saying the codex is “done and almost at the printers” whatever that
means.

He also spoke of a few miniatures we can expect to see, including an
Iron Warriors character with servo harness, possible new Obliterators,
and plastic Plaguebearers on round bases. What with 75hastings69′s
recent denial of Plaguebearers in the starter set, it is possible these
are a full plastic kit.

Darnok also said that painted versions of all four Cult Terminators
have been sighted, but said they could have been conversions. These
could have been made with the sprues other rumours have mentioned.

theDarkGeneral told us new Chaos Bikes and the New Dread have been
spotted by GW Memphis staff, who claim these plastic kits have lots of
bits.

They also apparently have a pdf of some sort and say it “screams death and carnage”

The bikes were confirmed as being new, not recut, and the Dread was described as a “crazy spikey combat dread”

theDarkGeneral also implied that there may be an additional heavy
weapon upgrade for Chaos units, but was supposedly told it’s not a
Plasma Cannon

ant1clock told us his local GW told his that the Thousand Sons kit is
no longer available because they are moving to Finecast. It is unclear
if this means a new, all Finecast kit, or if the metal components will
move to FC

von “the Dark General”

Without giving too much hope and taking this with some salt…

I do know they originally talked about and sketched up some Legion
specific “daemonic riders”, which would count as Elite choices. Thousand
Sons atop Discs of Tzeentch (3-9), Noise Marines speeding along riding
Seekers (3-6), Plague Marines sludging it mounted on Beasts of Nurgle
(3-7) and the already mentioned Brazen Knights. Where this all went I
don’t know, but the talks did mention “what would the other Traitor
Legions get?”…

One last tidbit, again shake the salt shaker, but “the boyz” did say
Chaos would get newish upgrades for our Predators, expanding their
weapons upgards, similar to Razorbacks, but without the troop capacity
and instead having side mounted weapons. An example would be twin-linked
plasma gun turret and single plasma gun side sponsons. NOW THIS HAS ME
EXCITED!!! I do hope they’re not pullin’ my leg! (i’ll kick ‘em if so!)

auch von “the Dark General”

Yes, I did earlier mention that Chaos Legions was to be 3 separate
Codexes but as with many things GW they take twists and turns as time
marches on. I’m sure with 6th Edition near completion, the thought of
having to revamp so many other Codexes was a daunting task, and adding 3
Chaos Legions and a Daemons Codex was just a bit much for their plate.

Yeah, it was new bikes, not the old molds they saw, along with a
“crazy spikey combat dread”. As for Raptors, well I guess they’re
becoming more accessible for Night Lords, while the rest of the Legions
get jump pack upgrades or “assault marines”.

Cult upgrades are for sure, though i’m still not clear as to how
they’re doing this. Last I heard it was separate sprues that may be
direct only for Cult Terminators, etc. Funny, with all the Havocs I own
you’d think i’d ask about them? LOL! Unfortunately (or fortunately) we
may get one more heavy weapons upgrade for our choices, but i’m told
it’s not a Plasma Cannon…?"

Von BOLS:

"Up next for 40k sounds like may timeframe for a chaos codex. Rumored to expand upon 4 major legions.

-New plastics

-Chaos dread.

-New plastic raptors

-New plastic plague bearers

-New character sculpts, not sure if abaddon is included..."

Von Warseer:

"*Obliterators: Get more then just "energized" weapons, which may include hvy auto-cannon and missle launcher.

*Special Characters: Several get varying levels of Eternal Warrior
(1-3), which includes Abaddon, Kharn and Typhus and 2 others.

*Characters/HQs: A few more options for mid-level characters which
according to Legion, can be taken as HQ slots (two for one) or as a
separate Elite or Fast or Troop choice that can be split off? Maybe like
a unit of Dark Apostles that can then split off as squad leaders? Not
sure on this exactly. My buddy often talks to quickly!

"

Von Warseer:

"Apparently Chaos will still struggle with enemy Psychers, though Khorne
will ne able to nullify psychic abilities that target HQs and some unit
champs that can take a specific wargear upgrade, most likely Collars
of Khorne or something very similar.

However Thousand Sons will have more basic unit upgrades available to
them, especially the unit champ/sgt. A curious comment was made by one
of my buddies..."what do you suppose Tzeentch daemon engine would look
like?"

If Alpha Legion does gain the "spies net work" ability, enemy units may be forced to take Ld tests to move or shoot."

Von bello:

"Codex is finished and should be leaving the printers shortly for warehousing ahead of distribution in the next couple of months.

- Four waves of miniature releases planned.

- Mark-specific vehicle upgrades reminiscent of the 3.5 Chaos Marines Codex may appear, such as Poisoned flamers for Nurgle, higher strength/lower AP weapons for Tzeentch, Sonic weaponry for Slaanesh and "brutal blades" for Khorne.

- New specific differences between Raptors and "Chaos Assault Marines". Raptors now a new cult for Night Lords Legion and "Chaos Assault Marines" being available to all Legions and markable.

- HQ choicess will effect the types of units and marks available to your Army. Also noted that "IF 6th Edition returns to Percentages, the Codex will make more sense"

- Finally, word of Daemons being redone for 40K and Fantasy in 2013, with new Greater Daemon models."