Diskussion Tau-Gerüchte

Das hier ist wohl die Basis für die neuen Gerüchte. Ob was dran ist ist stark zu bewzeifeln...

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Stealth'o: hey

AbusePuppy: Hey yourself. What's up?

Stealth'o: just saw you talking in the chatbox

Stealth'o: wanted to say hi

AbusePuppy: It turns out I hang out there quite a bit. More than I should, really.

Stealth'o: lol yeah ive seen you a lot

Stealth'o: but i mostly dont say anything

Stealth'o: (first time unsing nick)

AbusePuppy: Well, that's most people, really.

Stealth'o: so you play tau?

Stealth'o: ive read the articles youve posted on them

AbusePuppy: Most of those are Kirby's, not mine, but yeah, Tau is one of
my back-burner armies right now. They're neat, but they're just too
luck-dependent for my tastes currently.

Stealth'o: heh that gets fixed soon

AbusePuppy: Yeah, so the rumors say, but they say a lot of stuff, so I
don't really believe much. It's pretty in the air at this point.

Stealth'o: no they actually are

Stealth'o: theyre the next book to get done

AbusePuppy: Where'd you hear that?

Stealth'o: didnt Hear it from anyone

Stealth'o: i just know

AbusePuppy: Like magical space knowledge? No offense, but...

Stealth'o: sigh no ive actually seen the new stuff myself

AbusePuppy: O_o Like... for reals?

Stealth'o: yeah

Stealth'o: im part of their playtest group

AbusePuppy: Whoah. That's... that's pretty cool.

Stealth'o: yeah

Stealth'o: i laugh whenever i see someone post something like

Stealth'o: gw never playtests anything!

Stealth'o: lol cause i know different

AbusePuppy: It's harder to balance things that most people think.

Stealth'o: YES!!

Stealth'o: thank you

Stealth'o: im so sick of people saying its easy to make everything perfect

Stealth'o: we change every unit ten times trying to fic stuff

Stealth'o: and still its not good enuf

AbusePuppy: Seriously. So, uh, if you don't mind my asking, what's the
new book like? Please tell me that Cruddace isn't writing it, I'm not
sure I can bear to have him kick another one of my codices square in the
junk.

Stealth'o: lol no

Stealth'o: phil kelly is the guy for this book

Stealth'o: some of us think that cruddace is getting pushed away from writing new 40k books

Stealth'o: because of nids and sob

Stealth'o: but Officially we havent heard anything

AbusePuppy: Thank you God, Jesus, Buddha and Allah.

Stealth'o: i like it a lot

Stealth'o: its pretty good but theres still some stuff to fix

Stealth'o: but most of it is done at this point

AbusePuppy: Makes sense, they need like a ~3 month print window, don't they?

Stealth'o: i dont know actually

Stealth'o: but we always finish testing way before

Stealth'o: anything comes out

AbusePuppy: So, um, without sounding too forward... what can you tell me? >.>

Stealth'o: lol

Stealth'o: im not supposed to say anything but...

AbusePuppy: Aww, you tease.

Stealth'o: lol no its okay i dont think the gw police will find me

AbusePuppy: You fool, I'm secretly working for them!

Stealth'o: gasp

Stealth'o: ive been setup, you rat!

AbusePuppy: Now say something about getting away for it if not for us darn kids.

Stealth'o: lol

AbusePuppy: So is any of the current rumor stuff true? :\ Because it kinda sounds like bullshit.

Stealth'o: some of it is real actually

Stealth'o: but i think a lot of it is just good guesses

AbusePuppy: SO the usual?

Stealth'o: yeah

Stealth'o: i mean its not hard to figure out something like

Stealth'o: fire warriors get cheaper and ethereals arent bad nemore

AbusePuppy: Herp de derp indeed. What's the deal with HQs and troops and
FoC-swaps? Kelly seems like he's done a lot of that in the past, so
it'd be natural to see more now.

Stealth'o: yeah the hq slot is gonna be way more open than before

Stealth'o: shasels make crisis into troops if you take the right gear

Stealth'o: they have way more options than before

Stealth'o: but also theres some other good hqs

AbusePuppy: Like a Kroot Shaper? :3 I know some folks that are really looking forward to an all-Kroot army.

Stealth'o: lol maybe

Stealth'o: but there is a stealth suit commander

AbusePuppy: Let me guess, you were one of the ones rooting for that?

Stealth'o: yup

Stealth'o: doesnt mak estealth troops

Stealth'o: but si still pretty good

AbusePuppy: Are Crisis gonna get a new box? Because I love those silly
chicken-leg things, but the ankles... dear god, the ankles...

Stealth'o: sorry no

Stealth'o: weve been told there is no new box for them because they have a good kit

Stealth'o: but they are making a sprue for broadsides and commander

AbusePuppy: Huh. Like re-cuts for those kits, or...?

Stealth'o: no like a new upgrade sprue

Stealth'o: in plastic so no more metal/plastic gluing

AbusePuppy: Oh, so there'll be the current Crisis kit and then another kit to turn them into Broadsides/Commanders.

AbusePuppy: That's cool.

Stealth'o: yeah and it has all the Special Issue gear on it

AbusePuppy: Are they adding more of that?

Stealth'o: some more

Stealth'o: some of it is also different

Stealth'o: a lot of stuff changed

AbusePuppy: Well, a lot of it had to, the codex was basically still from 3E.

Stealth'o: lol yeah

Stealth'o: the new book is pretty clearly designed for 6th though

Stealth'o: they do a lot of stuff very differently than before

Stealth'o: dones dont count for morale anymore

AbusePuppy: That's a huge plus. "Oh no, our expendable buddies are dying, run for it!"

Stealth'o: they also added some new drone types

Stealth'o: one with heavier guns and a melee drone

AbusePuppy: Tau melee units? O_o

Stealth'o: well its still not good

Stealth'o: but better than the other stuff

Stealth'o: it has meq stats and a power weapon

Stealth'o: with counterattack

AbusePuppy: I guess that's... okay.

Stealth'o: its kinda like a shield drone in how i use them

AbusePuppy: T4/3+, so yeah. Are Markerlight Drones at all useful now? I converted a bunch up and they're sitting in my case.

Stealth'o: lol markerlights are all different now

Stealth'o: all drones are relentless

Stealth'o: and and the tokens work differently

AbusePuppy: How so?

Stealth'o: theyre assault guns now so you can move and shoot

Stealth'o: and multiple tokens dont help

AbusePuppy: "Don't help" like you can't use more than one token on a unit? Tha kinda sucks.

Stealth'o: no

Stealth'o: its like

Stealth'o: you can have tokens to do different things

Stealth'o: but you cant use more than one to do the same thing

AbusePuppy: On a single shot, you mean?

Stealth'o: yeah

Stealth'o: so you can use one to make your gun twin linked

Stealth'o: or make them reroll cover

Stealth'o: or pinning

Stealth'o: but you cant use two to do it again

AbusePuppy: Well, that's just the rules there, but yeah, that's cool.

Stealth'o: yeah mls are good now

AbusePuppy: They were good before, they were just impossible to get anywhere other than Pathfinders or for too high a price.

Stealth'o: prices are similar

Stealth'o: but so much more useful!

Stealth'o: since you can split fire with them

AbusePuppy: Noice, I was hoping they'd keep that ability for the Tau.

Stealth'o: yeah pathfinders can do it

Stealth'o: and theres an upgrade for it

AbusePuppy: What other kinds of new units do we get to see?

Stealth'o: a ton of stuff

Stealth'o: tau get s omany more units now

AbusePuppy: That happens with every codex, though. Look at Necrons.

Stealth'o: yeah but theyre adding all the castes

Stealth'o: not just fire

AbusePuppy: Like, as playable units?

Stealth'o: yeah

Stealth'o: air = flyers

Stealth'o: water = hq upgrade

Stealth'o: earth = repairer

AbusePuppy: So Tau get a one fo the new "fast skimmers which are secretly airplanes"?

Stealth'o: yup

Stealth'o: theyre copying a lot of fw stuff for the new book

AbusePuppy: That's pretty standard these days.

Stealth'o: yeah just like the maticore and trygon

Stealth'o: theyre making a kit for the barracuda but its smaller

AbusePuppy: Do they give it some extra guns? Because I was always... unimpressed with the Barracuda.

Stealth'o: it gets a bunch more stuff

Stealth'o: and its cheaper

AbusePuppy: It kinda has to be, all FW's stuff is overpriced for the most part.

Stealth'o: yeah

Stealth'o: theyr also doing the tetra and hazard

Stealth'o: and maybe one other

Stealth'o: but it had problems

AbusePuppy: "One other"?

Stealth'o: ill just keep that a secret

Stealth'o: grin

AbusePuppy: *glances at FW's page* ...Knarlocs?

Stealth'o: grin

Stealth'o: nope!

AbusePuppy: I don't see what else it could be, given the kits FW has made. One of the named chars...?

Stealth'o: no

Stealth'o: but they are redoing all the named chars in the book

Stealth'o: aunva farsight and shadowsun

Stealth'o: also adding an air character in a tank

Stealth'o: tank = flyer

AbusePuppy: Oh good. :\ Is it less poorly-done than Pask and the Dais and shit like that?

Stealth'o: hes pretty okay

Stealth'o: but they changed the way that named chars work

Stealth'o: in 6th so it makes sense

AbusePuppy: We'll, see, I guess. I mean I will, you've already seen.

Stealth'o: lol yeah

AbusePuppy: Okay, so allies: do we get many more of them, or is it still
just Kroot/Vespid? Because I really, really want to be able to field an
army with tons of allies, it's what I like about them.

Stealth'o: they get some new ones

Stealth'o: demiurg

Stealth'o: hrud

Stealth'o: humans

AbusePuppy: Squats?!?!

AbusePuppy: Seriously?

Stealth'o: yeah

Stealth'o: grin

Stealth'o: theyre kinda like in fantasy

Stealth'o: slow but heavy hitters

Stealth'o: with good ap guns and strength

AbusePuppy: Are the Gue'vesa same as the old PDF version?

Stealth'o: no theyre pretty different

Stealth'o: more like the allies from old inquisition

Stealth'o: you can take some ig units as renegades

Stealth'o: and use them

AbusePuppy: Oh shit. That's hardcore.

Stealth'o: yeah but

Stealth'o: theres a lot of good tau stuff that kinda blows ig away

Stealth'o: so its alsmost a waste

Stealth'o: kroot are same cost as an ig trooper now

Stealth'o: and they have +1save and s4 gun

Stealth'o: and two attacks

AbusePuppy: So kinda just better? O_o

Stealth'o: yeah but you need a shaper

Stealth'o: and still no armor

AbusePuppy: Not having armor is the best part about Kroot. :3 Get charged, get eaten, let the Tau shoot 'em!

Stealth'o: lol yeah

Stealth'o: but with stealth they dont need armor

AbusePuppy: Cover saves are basically the Tau army's best friend.

AbusePuppy: Kroot, Gun Drones, every tank they have...

Stealth'o: tanks get stealth now

AbusePuppy: Like, all of them?

Stealth'o: its from disrupton pod

Stealth'o: gives stealth or

Stealth'o: 6+ if you have no cover

Stealth'o: but more expensive

AbusePuppy: Well, it'd have to give you points if it got any cheaper. >.>

AbusePuppy: Are Fire Warriors getting anything, or are they still stuck in the dump?

Stealth'o: fw are not bad

Stealth'o: pulse is s6 now

AbusePuppy: Penetrating Rhinos with basic troops, fuck year!

Stealth'o: yah they are very scary

Stealth'o: bust canons also are s6

AbusePuppy: That might actually make them worth using, although it was mostly the range that crippled them before.

Stealth'o: they are longer range now

Stealth'o: a lot of weapons changed profiles

Stealth'o: and have longer ranges

Stealth'o: plasma is s7 like imp stuff now, missiles are the same as autocannon

Stealth'o: the hazards guns all got better, too

Stealth'o: extra shots on melta cascard and ion, some other stuff

AbusePuppy: That's good, all the 12" and 18" bullshit was killing Tau.
We can't fight in melee but we have short-range guns, hurr!

Stealth'o: yeah that is over

Stealth'o: tau are a fast shooty army now

AbusePuppy: They had some long-range guns (Railguns, Seekers), but
mostly it was way, way too short for my tastes and for the army to work
effectively.

Stealth'o: seekers are 72 now

Stealth'o: but theyre damage went up

AbusePuppy: Well, 72" isn't really any different from unlimited at the end of the day.

Stealth'o: yeah

Stealth'o: but they can be fired in two different modes nopw

Stealth'o: and have two upgrades

AbusePuppy: So more like Frag/Krak?

Stealth'o: yeah but better

Stealth'o: s8 ap3 blast

Stealth'o: s6 ap5 large blast

Stealth'o: s5 ap6 large blast no cover

Stealth'o: s9 ap1 2d6

Stealth'o: the last two are the upgrade ones

AbusePuppy: Melta missile! Do the upgrades replace the normal ones, or are they extra fire modes?

Stealth'o: you can only shoot one type each turn

Stealth'o: but it can be any type

AbusePuppy: Heh, I might finally get to use my magnetized hardpoints, then. :3

Stealth'o: skyrays are so good now

Stealth'o: i love mine

AbusePuppy: I might have to pick some up as a prepratory measure, then. Only had one currently.

Stealth'o: i would do it

Stealth'o: you are gonna need them

AbusePuppy: Okay, so the other big question, then: is Tau before or after 6E?

Stealth'o: i dont know

Stealth'o: im not on the test group for 6th

Stealth'o: so i dont know anything about it

AbusePuppy: Awww. Well, I guess I can't be _too_ disappointed with what you've told me. :3

Stealth'o: lol yeah

Stealth'o: the new tau are really cool

AbusePuppy: Do they push the timeline forward any?

Stealth'o: not really

Stealth'o: but they do add more stuff

Stealth'o: they get revenge for urien killing their planet

Stealth'o: and theres more of the big fight with crowe

AbusePuppy: That was one of the best stories in the DE book.

Stealth'o: they basically go ballistic on him

Stealth'o: and theres lots of other cross stuff

Stealth'o: with other xenos and races

Stealth'o: fropm the 4th sphere expansion

AbusePuppy: Sweet. Xenos-on-xenos is always good to see, since like 90% of everything is about the Imperium, one way or another.

Stealth'o: theres that too

Stealth'o: it sorta says that there might be

Stealth'o: some people in the imp working with the tau

Stealth'o: or maybe friends with them

Stealth'o: trading technology for space

Stealth'o: etc

AbusePuppy: So not just 100% "everyone punches everyone all the time"-fest? Gasp!

Stealth'o: lol yeah

Stealth'o: the tau are just like the imp now

Stealth'o: but less stupid

AbusePuppy: Well, stupid in their own, unique way.

Stealth'o: no they are more hardcore now

Stealth'o: not just the nice guys of the galaxy

AbusePuppy: How much of the old book's fluff is getting cut? I really
liked having the Tau alphabet, history, etc, in there. I mean, it's not
like I have to throw my old book away, but...

Stealth'o: the book is a lot longer

Stealth'o: tey add a whole section on tau culture

Stealth'o: and how they live

Stealth'o: or work mostly

Stealth'o: since thats the point of tau culture

AbusePuppy: I am carefully avoiding any kind of "Arbeit Macht Frei" joke right here

Stealth'o: godwin!

Stealth'o: no you get to see the tau from their perpsective

Stealth'o: they also had some tau Psykers early on

Stealth'o: but they got removed

AbusePuppy: Tau psykers? Isn't that kinda contradictory?

Stealth'o: well they had a lot of complaints

Stealth'o: about de having no psykers and no defense

Stealth'o: so they looked at it

AbusePuppy: That was a fairly significant issue for the DE book, yes.

Stealth'o: but in the end they didnt like it

Stealth'o: so they were dropped

Stealth'o: but theres still some stuff

Stealth'o: that links to them in the new fluff

AbusePuppy: Shit, I gotta go to work here.

Stealth'o: lol

AbusePuppy: Well, really I had to go to work a while ago, but...

Stealth'o: lol its okay

Stealth'o: i should go to

AbusePuppy: Thanks for all the info, mang.

Stealth'o: no problem

Stealth'o: get working on those tau!

AbusePuppy: Ha ha, I basically have to at this point, don't I?

AbusePuppy: Anyways, later.

Stealth'o: later"